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Meg06	Oct-28-06, 08:37 PM (CMT)
"Migraine Cure"
Hi Everyone! Dr. Dzugan's book "The Migraine Cure" should be out shortly. I think by the end of November if everything goes smoothly. I have been migraine free since December 17, 2005 (it's hard not to forget the last one). And I've been using immunorestoration since then. Please, please read the book when it comes out. Take it to your doctor. Talk to him/her about immunorestoration. And if they aren't willing to work with you, find someone who is. It was the best thing I've ever done for myself and that's saying a lot. Just wanted to post... Thanks for listening! ~Meg
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enigma	Oct-29-06, 10:00 AM (CMT)
1. "RE: Migraine Cure"
Is this something your insurance covers??? Laura
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	Meg06	Oct-29-06, 07:40 PM (CMT)
	7. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	Insurance may or may not cover it. You'd have to check with yours. Also, some compounding pharmacies don't take insurance so you'd have to check with them too. ~Meg
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jencee	Oct-29-06, 10:06 AM (CMT)
2. "Migraine cure?"
Meg, What exactly is the cure? Is it Immunorestoration? If so, what is Immunorestoration? Is that the same thing as the Bio-Identical hormone therapy? The was a thread started a couple of weeks ago about that - I think it was "AnnasMom" who started that thread. Where do you find a Doctor who will work with you for this type of treatment? Thanks, Jen
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	Anna's Mom	Oct-29-06, 12:13 PM (CMT)
	3. "RE: Migraine cure?"
	Congratulations, Meg! You can ask your particular insurance company if they have a contract with a compounding pharmacy. Bioidentical hormones are prescription drugs which are compounded at compounding pharmacies. Our large PPO insurance company has a contract with one (and only one) compounding pharmacy in another state that does mail order. I once got a $1,000 compounded med for my regular co-pay ($15.00) at this one and only pharmacy. But I had to "twist the arm" of my insurance company to learn this information. Whether or not the prescribing doctor takes your insurance, some do and some don't. The doctor close to us who prescribes bioidentical hormones takes most insurance. How to find these doctors? It takes searching. Cheryl
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minmaxman	Oct-29-06, 04:49 PM (CMT)
4. "RE: Migraine Cure"
Please tell me this isn't another one! If not,sorry. I did a 1 year search and only got this thread as the only result for Meg06. Sorry, but with so many scams and sales people coming here I am very skeptical about claimed "cures". Dana Always Take care and have fun! You employ your doctor. If they are not doing their job by helping you then fire them.
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	Bahman	Oct-29-06, 06:14 PM (CMT)
	5. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	I really don't want you think I'm out of line, Dana. I ask this question with all sincerity: Why do you focus on "the messenger" instead of looking at the "message?"
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	minmaxman	Oct-30-06, 05:46 PM (CMT)
	16. "RE: Migraine Cure/Bahman"
	No problem and I don't think you were out of line. We all have opinions. I did a name search because it is easy and yes I did read the message. Every time someone says the word "Cure" in the title or the contents I become skeptical. There are so many people here and many at the end of their rope that they may try anything and others know this. There are all kinds who prey on others in that postition and I don't want to see anyone get ripped off. About 8 or 10 times a year the scammers are here and if you looked at my post I said if I was wrong,I was sorry but I will not take it back because I care about the people here and I suffer right along with many. Dana Always Take care and have fun! You employ your doctor. If they are not doing their job by helping you then fire them.
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	Bahman	Oct-30-06, 07:26 PM (CMT)
	17. "RE: Migraine Cure/Bahman"
	I read your message, understood your position, and was going to move on. But then I noticed you had added my name to the title, and maybe that means you expect a response. OK, No one wants spammers and sales pitches. And everyone here should try to warn others of misrepresentaion of facts, misinformation, false claims, etc. But IMHO, that is best done by dissecting the issue and the claim.
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	Meg06	Oct-29-06, 07:35 PM (CMT)
	6. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-06 AT 07:38 PM (CMT) Actually, I've posted a number of times before on this site. And for what I'm about to say this one will probably get removed too but here goes- Because I've posted before "pro other therapies other than pharmaceuticals" I think it was removed due to that. I also work for LifeExtension and have mentioned Le before so who knows? It could be that too. It's sad, but true. So, no, I'm not a scammer... I know what you're thinking though. There was a post on this board about 6 to 9 months ago about a guy who had a "cure" that you mixed with stuff from the fridge... But, no, I'm not like that. I don't get anything out of you doing this. I don't care who you work with. But there other options than Imitrex, etc. out there. Now, in response to immunorestoration: that has to do with targeting a person's therapy to that individual. For instance- why would different women with different symptoms get the same treatment??? It is done with speaking at length about that person's history- when they started getting their migraines, what they've tried in the past and what has or hasn't worked (even for a short time), medical background regarding hysterectomies, any traumas (especially to the neck or brain), etc. Considering I'm only 26 yrs. old mine was pretty short. The personal history info is also paired with blood tests. You get baseline numbers at the beginning and retest 3-4 months later. With follow ups done periodically after that. Also immunorestoration isn't just about hormones. I also take things like probiotics, magnesium, zinc and saw palmetto everyday in addition to my hormones. It;s about balancing the whole body. And for each person it may be the same initial regimen but the dosages can be widely varied. Everyone's different so everyone gets individual attention. For bioidentical hormones (the natural stuff by a compounding pharmacy- not things like premarin or prempro, etc) the scripts do have to be written by a doctor and some doctors are in fact more willing than others. My doctor in Florida is actually an endocrinologist but he knew nothing about bioidenticals. I basiclly had to tell him how to write the prescription. Since I work at LE, I had previously done my research on how to balance my hormones. Sorry this is a bit long, but should anyone have more questions, please let me know. Thanks, Meg
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	Bahman	Oct-29-06, 08:12 PM (CMT)
	8. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	OK, I'm going to add my 2 cents and wait for other comments. Before asking my question, I'd like to remind everyone that I seem to be the only one on this board who has successfully been treated (100%) with cayenne pepper. This is to emphacize that I am believing more and more everyday that people are SOOOOOOOOO different! Now, I'd like to ask you whether you believe your propposed "cure" can really work for everyone?
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	jencee	Oct-29-06, 09:41 PM (CMT)
	9. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	I really do want to look into this- I'm just afraid if I go to a Dr.- even one on the LEF recommeded website and ask about the "Migraine Cure" treatment plan that they won't know what the heck I'm talking about, since the book isn't out yet, so I'm wondering if I should wait and order the book first and then bring it in to the Doctor, so they can see what I'm talking about. I really think a big part of my problem may be hormonal- and no dr so far has really wanted to delve into that area yet, so I'm willing to go down a different route and try something different. Meg, I live in Florida too, If you know of any Drs. in my area that are already familiar with this protocol please let me know- feel free to e-mail me through me profile, if you'd like. All the best, Jen
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	petluv	Oct-30-06, 07:24 AM (CMT)
	10. "Cure for L.E.'s sagging bank account"
	This book will probably be on the shelves next to the ones by the scam artist Kevin Trudeau who also has so called natural cures for everything from A to Z.
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	MM	Oct-30-06, 09:03 AM (CMT)
	11. "RE: Cure for L.E.'s sagging bank account"
	So sad to give people false hope. We really are a bunch of guinea pigs! Boo hoo! MM
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	Bahman	Oct-30-06, 10:55 AM (CMT)
	12. "guina pigs"
	In a way people are guina pigs, especially those with difficult and chronic illnesses like migraine. All my life I've been trying different and sometimes "odd" treatments for my twin discomforts: migraine and stomach ulcer. You name it and I've tried it. In other words, I've been guina pig all my life. But, to paraphrase, "by myself and for myself." But fortunately no more (cross your fingers!). I accidentally found a supplement that treats both my problems. How? I don't know.
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	jencee	Oct-30-06, 12:33 PM (CMT)
	13. "RE: guina pigs"
	Bahman, Please can you tell me more about the Cayenne pepper treatment that helped your migraines? Do you take this as a supplement (capsules)? or are you eating them as a food? Also, please tell me how much you take (dose) and do you take this everyday as a preventative measure? Thanks so much! Jen
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	Bahman	Oct-30-06, 01:41 PM (CMT)
	14. "cayenne"
	Jen, I have written so many times about it in the past seven years that I have collected most of them in one file and am going to copy some of it below. I'm afraid some may be repetitious. Also all your questions may not be answered. So please ask away! ----------------------------------------------- Here is my story in a nutshell. I've suffered from ulcer and migraine for about 40 years. Neither has been VERY serious, but persistent. My migraine is not of the 'classical' type; i.e. severe and debiliating. Instead, it can be preveted by ordinary painkillers. But it is always waiting in the wings, so to speak. That means every day. My ulcer's only symptom has been 'pain.' Several years ago, I had several successful, but temporary, H. Pylori treatments. In this period, I noticed that when I was under antibiotic treatment, my headache episodes were less frequent. About 8 years ago, I came across acidophilus and started taking about one capsul a day, with great success for my ulcer and some good effect on my headache. Then a year later, I read about the effect of cayenne (red pepper) on migraine in the Los Angeles Times and started using it. It turned out to be a very effective preventive measure for my headaches. And surprisingly, I later discovered that I didn't need to take acidophilus anymore. In short, I've been free of stomach problems, and my migraine is well under control, for seven years now. This is anecdotal, but I've felt all along that my two problems had the same cause. I don't know what else to say now, but will be happy to answer your questions. ------------ Capsules (500mg) are available as supplements. I take an average of three capsules/day WITH FOOD. Once in a while when I want instantaneous effect to prevent an emerging headache, I swallow a pinch of the powder in a cup of water. In general, the amount of RP I take to prevent my headache seems to be enough to keep ulcer away. However, occasionally, when I feel early symptoms (feeling of hunger and gnawing in my stomach) I take a dose, and it works wonders! -------------------------------------------- I get the Spring Valley brand from Walmart. You may find it at other stores. Don't get the GNC brand since it is very "hot." Unlike me, most people on the board take it regularly with their meals. I take it as needed. You can ask other questions and also checking the archives.
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	jencee	Oct-30-06, 02:17 PM (CMT)
	15. "RE: cayenne"
	Bahman, Thank you so much for you quick reply. I did do a search for cayenne pepper, but did not come up with anything- maybe the posts were older. I am fairly new to this board and was not familiar with your history- but I am always happy to hear that people have found things that work for them- we are all looking for our "miracle", if not a "cure" at least something that helps us. I am always on the lookout for new things to try, since I have been dealing with this for 10 years now. Mine Migraines are a bit different- lasting from 3-8 days in duration, and leave me wiped out for days only to return sometimes within a week. I know what you mean- I always feel like a "migraine waiting to happen". That is interesting about the ulcers and the H. Pylori. Although never diagnosed with ulcers, I have great difficulty taking most preventatives - I get severe nausea & vomiting and burning in the pit of my stomach. I did do an internet search in the interem, and found some articles about cayenne & migraine, so I am definately going to give this a try. At least it is not expensive to try. Again, I thank you so much for taking the time to share your story and for sharing the information. Take Care, Jen
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	annabelle	Oct-31-06, 01:15 AM (CMT)
	18. "RE: cayenne"
	jenece - i have been having a look as well - there is heaps of information but this is probably the simplest i have come across...............well i'm going to give it a go - can't hurt any more than the headache.maybe the answer is a bowl of hot chilli soup!! http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/pdfs/ocd1.pdf
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	annabelle	Oct-31-06, 06:58 AM (CMT)
	19. "RE: cayenne"
	bahman - well i dont know what to say to you. i have never heard of chillies being anything but delicious spices. after i saw your post i went looking all over the cyberspace and came across a site that talked about sniffing chilli/capsicum powder in very small doses into the nostril on the side of the head where the person has the headache. he went on to say how to do it, which i will keep to myself as i was experimenting and am not writing to advise people how to do it. i just wanted to let you know. my headache was so bad today after two weeks constant daily headache - i thought i would give anything a try. so i did. surprisingly all worked well - effortless - painless - bit of a watery nose for 10 mins and after 15 mins my headache went completely. i have the usual muscular-run soreness from my neck to the back of my head but thats nothing really, the actual headache went and that was approximately 5 hours ago. i would have to be the biggest cynic the world have ever met and i am just stunned by my bodily reaction. i will see how i go tomorrow as well..i spent the rest of the hours figuring out where to get capsicum tablets here in australia. in case any aussies are out there - they can be bought under the manufacturers name of Nature's Sunshine 100 capsules in a bottle and the strength is 475gms. they are not advertised for headaches - they are for dietary/abdominal use on the bottle - but i know better than that now!! cost is about $23.00 and both chemists and health food stores stock them - they have their own website and they can point you in the directions of your local supplier. big big thank you to bahman for at least five hours release to be a wife and friend for a change. regards annabelle
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	jencee	Oct-31-06, 09:52 AM (CMT)
	20. "RE: cayenne"
	Annabelle, I am so glad you found the information, and tried it out and it worked for You! Hurray! I do not have a migraine right now, or I would give it a try myself, but I'm going to buy the cayenne capsules on my next shopping trip, so I can have them on hand. I am also going to try taking them for prevention as Bahman has been doing and see what happens from there. It's so wonderful that we can help each other out- even if the information only helps a few of us- it's better than nothing. Jen.
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	Bahman	Oct-31-06, 12:03 PM (CMT)
	21. "RE: cayenne"
	I am so glad annabelle that cayenne helped you, even for a few hours. I'll cross my fingers! I buy 100 caps of "Cayenne fruit" from Walmart for $3! Even if it was $23, it would be worth it. (BTW, how much your $23 is in US dollars?) Jen, I hope that you'll have success with cayenne too. I have really been frustrated that so few people on this board were helped by it. Only two or three people reprted any degree of help and one (the5votes) who had better luck in the beginning reported that it only lasted several months. I myself have been using it successfully since July 1999. While I have been encouraging people to try it, I do NOT want to create "false hopes" either. Unfortunately, the percentage of people who can be helped seems to be very low.
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	jencee	Oct-31-06, 12:54 PM (CMT)
	22. "RE: cayenne"
	Bahman, As soon as I can go to Walmart, I'm going to get the cayenne. I have been through so many preventative meds, vitamins, herbs, supplements, Accupuncture, and now even Botox, and none, unfortunately proved very successful for me. At first botox seemed to help, but the last treatment has left me with neck pain and stiffness, and not too much reduction in migraines. I heard it is common for preventative meds to become ineffective over time. I guess it can also happen with supplements too. I think what happens is that the body becomes immune to it, and you get the migraines back. That can even happen with Botox treatments. It is wonderful that you continue to have success with it, and have not become immune to its working. I wish you continued success in the future! Jen
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	Bahman	Oct-31-06, 01:07 PM (CMT)
	23. "long-lasting?"
	Yes, for a while I was worried that cayenne's effect may wear out, but fortunately for me it didn't. In the years past, I had had temporary relief from lots of treatments including fasting, raw-eating diet, other special diets, chiropractice and accupuncture. The fact that cayenne's effectiveness has been virtually constant for 7 years leads me to speculate that capsaicin targets the root of my problem, whatever it is. But the fact that my stomach ulcer is also under control because of cayenne, leads me to believe that H. Pylori bacteria is my unseen enemy!!
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	annabelle	Oct-31-06, 04:22 PM (CMT)
	24. "RE: long-lasting?"
	hi bahman, thanx for the reply - the currency converts something like $23 australian dollars to $17.50 american dollars - still very expensive. the closest store we would have to walmart is k-mart which is not as sophisticated as walmart and i could not imagine them having anything more than the regular vitamin b and c and herbal shampoo and conditioner type goods. we have specialty health food stores or chemists that sell this type of thing. unfortunately here in australia you also get an earful of little chemist people (usually know-all kids) telling you what you can and cant use the drugs and vitamins for - i find their manner condescending and outright offensive - i take full responsibility for what i use things for and if i want to stick it in my ear i will if it helps!! - but i just say nothing and they shut up, difficult to get a response if the person isnt talking to you. you probably get that sort of thing in america as well - i think they just want to cover all the bases so they dont get sued for something. so i will keep you informed......... thanx again annabelle
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	lauriek	Nov-01-06, 09:40 AM (CMT)
	25. "Dr. Dzugan's book"
	With regard to Dr. Dzugan's book. I got it yesterday and am about 1/2 way through. Since the beginning of the year I have been reading everything I can find on bio-identical hormone replacement therapy. I have to say that I am loving his book! It is not a big, complicated, high fog level book. One thing that I've come to appreciate is that even though I have been doing BHRT (with some success in the beginnning), that this is not enough. He says that is like having 4 flat tires and fixing only 1 or 2. There are 4 areas that need to be balanced...Neurohormonal, Pineal gland, digestive system and magnesium balance. I hope that noone will get upset with me writing this. I just think that this is the best thing that has ever happened for us. I have been limping along trying to do it my way for long enough. I have 2 doctors that are willing to write me prescriptions for bioidentical hormones and I am hopeful that they will work with me and Dr. Dzugan's program. I am calling Dr. Dzugan's medical staff today to get started and I will be happy to report in again and let you know how it is going. If nothing else though, read this book. Please don't make a judgement until you do. Laurie
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	jrgood27	Nov-02-06, 04:41 PM (CMT)
	56. "RE: Dr. Dzugan's book"
	Hi Laurie, I definitely would be interested in how you're doing on the program. How are things going with your treatment so far? Jenny >Ihave 2 doctors that are >willing to write me prescriptions >for bioidentical hormones and I >am hopeful that they will >work with me and Dr. >Dzugan's program. I am >calling Dr. Dzugan's medical staff >today to get started and >I will be happy to >report in again and let >you know how it is >going. > Laurie
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	annabelle	Nov-01-06, 04:33 PM (CMT)
	31. "RE: cayenne"
	hi bahman got the RP yesterday and have started. i just wanted to know if you take your dose three times a day at meals?? (which is what i will do unless you advise otherwise). i have been doing some reading and everyone differs but i thought i would stick to what you do exactly as you have had the best results.....the only thing it looks like i have to cut out are the aspirin . RP also reacts with some heart medications but am not taking anything like that. surprisingly for a 'night-shade' plant it's side effect free. i also read tons of people are using it as a nasal spray for congestion. amazing! regards annabelle
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LTAYLOR	Nov-01-06, 11:14 AM (CMT)
26. "Cayenne"
LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-06 AT 10:23 PM (CMT) I am one of those few mentioned by Bahmann that has had success w/cayenne. I take a liquid herbal extract form along with ginger and a combo extract of echinacea & goldenseal (which I take as needed during cold & flu season or if I am sick) I have been taking these for several years now (5-6 I think) and they really work for me. Along with the pain relieving benefits this combo seems to have boosted my immune system and really helped my gastro/intestinal system. I have not been sick w/colds/sinus infections/flu in many years (knocking on wood!!!) and if I start to feel bad I will ramp up my dosage for a few days and I will not really get sick, maybe just feel run down for a day or two. I take two dropperfuls of each in a bit of warm water and slam it like a shot. I also often add green tea extract to the mix, but it seems to give me a headache (not a migraine, just a regular old headache) so I cut down on that one. I take this 2/day and then use the cayenne & ginger as needed for pain management. This is not all I take, this is just part of my regimen but the cayenne alone has reduced my pain considerably. I can take a larger dose to help me sleep - it really works, but you must have a pretty strong tummy - and now that I have been using the above I do. I also take mega doses of Magnesium. The brand is Mag Tab SR (I have posted on this many, many times so I will only repeat it briefly) this product is a sustained release form of Mg Lactate which is a better absorbed form of Mg. Many forms are used for their laxative properties because the body does not absorb them and they pass right through - and quick!! The Mag Tab SR dosing is pretty easy, you start out with 1 in the a.m. & 2 in the p.m. (take with a small 100 calorie snack - not a big meal) follow this for several days and the increase by 1 pill every week or so until the stools are comfortably soft. If you experience very loose stools, back off a pill or two until they are just comfortably soft again - which tells you that you are at an optimum dosage. I currently use 3 in the a.m. and 4 in the p.m., but I increase that if I am stressed, if "Aunt Flow" comes to town, fighting a bug, migraine etc... Additionally I take Mg Gluconate in liquid form during a migraine. I take 1-2 T every hour or so until the migraine is gone. Both of these can be ordered for you by your pharmacist and no prescription is needed. The Mag Tab has become harder to find, so I just order it direct from the Mfg. via the internet. Additional migraine supplementation information can be found at: <http://www.magnesiumresearchlab.com> Obviously if I am having one of my very, very bad ones none of this works because I tend to vomit every 3-5 minutes and cannot keep even a swallow of water down. Then it is off to the ER. I am currently exploring bioidentical hormone therapy for when the time comes, but thus far I have been able to regulate those pesky hormones a bit better by avoiding those really bad for you carbs (sugar, flour etc) it is amazing the difference eliminating sugar from your diet makes. I do not use sugar substitutes either...if I need to sweeten something I use pure maple syrup or the tiniest bit of good quality honey. Please remember we are all different and what works for me may not work for you. I still use prescription pain relievers as needed, but the need has decreased little by little each year as my knowledge and expirements grow. Also, there is a certain amount of discipline that required when trying any alternative methods, you really cannot do it half*ssed, I have found out the hard way....I am really lacking in the discipline but I have managed to complete a 6-8 week detox or two....not for migraines, just for all over well being, but it was hard. Good luck! Peace, L
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	jencee	Nov-01-06, 11:36 AM (CMT)
	27. "RE: Cayenne"
	LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-06 AT 12:05 PM (CMT) LTaylor, Thank you for an interesting post, and for sharing your regimen. I am happy that the cayenne pepper has been working for you- Is there any more benefit to taking it in a liquid extract form rather than capsules? Can you buy the liquid mag. gluconate over the counter or does it have to be ordered from the pharmacy? Also, when you said you take the liquid Mag. Gluconate- is that 1-2 teaspoons every hour for migraine pain or Tablespoons? Since you used a Capital T- I assumed you meant tablespoons, but just wanted to make sure- I am taking notes here- LOL. Oh, and do you supplement you diet with Calcium in addition to the magnesium? I heard that if you take to much Mag- your calcium levels get out of balance and you need to take both- do you take both? I agree with you on the discipline required with using alt./natural methods for migraines- sometimes it does involve so many different supplements, that it can be easy to forget- I find that I often need to write out a schedule, and look at that, or I guess you could use one of those pill reminder boxes too. Thanks, Jen
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	LTAYLOR	Nov-01-06, 01:26 PM (CMT)
	28. "RE: Cayenne"
	Tablespoons....sorry for the confusion. The Mg Gluconate, in my experience, has to be ordered by the pharmacist. It also comes in pill form, but I am lucky if I can keep the liquid down. I do take a calcium supplement as well, but I do not take them together. I think the website I listed goes into the hows & whys, but I don't remember. I don't think it matters which form of cayenne you take, I just got into the herbal extracts a few years ago and have stuck with them. An interesting point on Mg...there are some studies being conducted that may show that it is Mg that helps lessen bone density loss as opposed to calcium. Peace, L
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	jencee	Nov-01-06, 01:36 PM (CMT)
	29. "RE: Cayenne"
	LTaylor, Thanks for getting back to me on the specifics. Wow, that is certainly interesting regarding the Magnesium and bone density! Jen
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 04:28 PM (CMT)
	30. "discipline"
	Yes, discipline! I'm glad you people brought up the issue of discipline. Even for a single supplement that I need to take, discipline is critical. I have cayenne capsules avaiable everywhere. In the house of course, but also in my pocket and in my car. I have the powder also available for emergency times. For instance, occaisonally I wake up in the morning with an immediate need for cayenne! One shouldn't take it on empty stomach and there is hardly any time for a breakfast. So I swallow a mouthful of water with a pinch or two of cayenne in it for immediate effect. Then I take a capsul or two with breakfast. Here is an interesting episode. Our daughter also suffers from head and stomach problems and very likely inherited it from me. AND she also benefitss from cayenne. BUT she sometimes ends up in ER! She gives me all kind of excuses for it but I've always thought that lack of discipline was the culprit. For instance, she never had cayenne with her when I'd ask. So I've given up and have not interfered any more!!!
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	annabelle	Nov-01-06, 04:35 PM (CMT)
	32. "RE: discipline"
	hi bahman i just posted to you and lo and behold you have written about some of your ideas..........must be magic
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 04:53 PM (CMT)
	33. "RE: discipline"
	If it is practical for you to do what I do, I think it is the best way. Time is of essence -- even seconds. So, at the first sign of an impending symptom, take a capsul with water or a drink. Not on empty stomach. My early symptoms are lightheadedness, heavy eyes and the like.
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	jencee	Nov-01-06, 05:02 PM (CMT)
	34. "RE: discipline"
	I am going to buy this tomorrow, and start taking it immediately for prevention. (hopefully). I will take it will food of course, but I was just curious what would happen if you do not take it with food? Does it cause extreme nausea and stomach pain? Since it is a pepper, I would think it would really irritate the stomach if taken on an empty stomach. Jen
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	annabelle	Nov-01-06, 05:03 PM (CMT)
	35. "RE: discipline"
	so let me get this right - you take one capsule three times a day with meals and at the sign of a migraine you take another capsule and a small amount of the powder in water and take with something to eat?
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 05:24 PM (CMT)
	36. "RE: discipline"
	no no no!!!! What I have said is that my AVERAGE per day is 3 capsules. I do NOT take it with food as a regular regimen. I only take it when there is an emerging symptom. Of course some times when I expect "the emergence", like before having an alcoholic drink or before a physical activity, I take a cap for possible prevention. As for the effect of RP on empty stomach, yes it is painful. In early years I used to get pain sometimes because I would take it 2 or 3 hours after a meal and that was not good timing. So I have learned to swallow a few ounces of water or some drink (milk is probably best) before taking a capsul with more drink or food afterwards. Even if pain strikes, usually some drink or food would quickly get rid of it. Also once in a while a few minutes after taking the capsul, because of haste or lack of enough drink, I feel that the capsul has not gone down and is sitting right there in my throat and chest. This is not painful and again would clear by drinking or eating a few mouthfuls.
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	annabelle	Nov-01-06, 05:36 PM (CMT)
	37. "RE: discipline"
	ok got it now !! - it was (emphasis on was) a 'regime' i was thinking of - and taking them can sound like a regime if a person has a headache each day - for example. so i will allow for what you mentioned and structure it with a bit of fine-tuning for my own needs - typing into a comouter is a little like text messaging - you miss out on the emphasis and the tone of language so i am sorry if i have frustrated you - i realise you have been telling people this same thing for ages and we are just the next lot to give it a try. i appreciate your quick response and thank you again. regards annabelle
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 05:49 PM (CMT)
	38. "alternatives"
	No frustration at all. The "no no no" in the openning of my post was just for emphasis and nothing more. Now of course you will develope your own method. And here I copy some past posts, some of which may be repetitious. --------------------------------------- Here is another suggestion: For immediate effect, I sometimes use a pinch or two of the red pepper powder found in supermarkets, add to some water and drink. You can also make sure the pepper you buy is not very hot. Another temporary way to take in cayenne is to open a capsule and use part of it in water and drink. I've found that the pepper in Walmart's caps are "medium" -- not too hot or too mild. One can find real mild powders in supermarkets. AND I haven't been able to find much difference in their effectivenss for my mig. Do you think you can try a diluted solution AS SOON AS you feel the onset of mig. This way you'll know whether or not cayenne can have any effect on you and will be worth trying it in a longer term. "better alternatives" It seems to me that for those with sensitive stomachs the ideal solution is to use SMALL capsules. But it may not be that easy! The size of Walmart's cayenne capsules is nominally rated at 500 mg. and I haven't seen smaller ones yet. However, one may find EMPTY caps of any size, but not easily!! In the early days I looked for empty small caps and ended up in a medical supply store. They had different size caps but very expensive, and I didn't see any need to give up cheap cayenne caps (3 cents/cap). You may want to ask your pharmacist and find small empty caps and fill them with cayenne with any amount your heart desires. However, much easier than that, but less elegant (!) is to "downsize" the big cayenne caps. Just open a cap, pour some of the pepper out and throw it away (I didn't mean that! You can save it for using it on pizza or in chili, or even drink it in water solution). Close the two haves of the cap and you have a customized capsul. You can take it with your meals, snacks, and even water, juice or milk. The object is to find out whetehr cayenne does ANYTHIG good for you. If it looks promising then you can plan for a better and more long term strategy. "a fancier method!" BLOODY MARY!! Oh well, you may leave the real stuff out! The mix may do. Actually, I'm not sure what kind of pepper they put in it and whether it can help me. I'll have to put it on the list of things to do.
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	annabelle	Nov-01-06, 05:57 PM (CMT)
	39. "RE: alternatives"
	thanks again it's weird how your body tells you what it needs !!!! i ONLY drink bloody mary's. the mix they use in this country is - Worcestershire Sauce - which has cardamom and black pepper - tabasco sauce - which has red chilli pepper - salt - lemon - vodka (which is about the only alcohol i can drink without getting a headache) and top it off with a big stick of celery - that makes it look healthy - what a coincidence - see i have always been a pepper girl. thanks for the post - i am copy pasting into my documents folder. annabelle
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 06:05 PM (CMT)
	40. "RE: alternatives"
	I wish you the best. But before you (and I) leave the computer, would you fill us in your update? Have you seen any progress?
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	annabelle	Nov-01-06, 06:14 PM (CMT)
	41. "RE: alternatives"
	well i usually wake up with a migraine so i took one capsule last night with some milk - woke this morning to mild daily headache - took capsule with cup of tea and half slice of medium density bread...........do not have a headache at the moment - and it's not placebo effect - i hate that bloody word - it has been two hours since i took the capsule and i find that it gives me a really lovely tingly feeling through my skin - no stomach complaints - would take a slippery elm bark capsule if i did as i read that antacids react with the pepper....so all that blab means that i am going along fine so far and will see how the rest of the day goes and let you know tonight . i have positive feelings about it and i am very serious about this as if it works for me it may work for my son.......he is 28 yo and works in the television/film industry and he gets very bad migraines and does not want it to affect his work and feels that the usual drugs for migraine impede his acuity with his camerawork and so forth so if i can get this to work for me - i will then pass it along - so see how far reaching and important information is in our life. and thanks again. i really am serious in saying i appreciate your guidance. annabelle. are you in the uk?? why are you still awake?
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 06:22 PM (CMT)
	42. "RE: alternatives"
	You don't have to thank me. Come to think of it, I never knew who to thank because I read it in an advice column in the Los Angeles Times. Yes I am living near L.A. and it is about 4 pm. IMO, the good thing about RP is that one can easily and quickly determine if it can help. You can use it in any way and form and fashion to answer that question. And if it works then in time you'll be able to find the most practical and convenient way to use it.
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	jencee	Nov-01-06, 06:34 PM (CMT)
	43. "RE: alternatives"
	Bahman, I too, thank you for clarifying the information- I was also thinking of this as something of a "daily preventative supplement" and thought I had to take it 3 times a day! LOL I am so glad that Annabelle was on tonight (thanks, Annabelle!) and asked about the dose. I guess one could say it's sort of like a "preventative" since you take it when you think you might feel a migraine coming on, or when you have a trigger, but not a preventative in the sense that it should be taken on a daily schedule like a medication. It also seems to work as an "abortive" for you and some others. I hope I can soon be added to the list of people that this has helped! Thanks again! Jen
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 06:48 PM (CMT)
	44. "preventative?"
	We have had a long discussion on this board about that, and the best I can say is that cayenne for me is like "an instant preventative." But then again, I can easily imagine a regular regimen of taking, say 4 or 5 caps a day at meal times and in between to also work. That is, I think if I have enough capsaicin in my blood stream at all times, it would be a preventative in the normal sense. But that means I will be taking more RP than my body absolutely needs and I'd rather not do that. As for abortive effect of RP, I don't know because I have never waited long enough to have a real headache. In other words "my discipline" has payed off!!!
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	jencee	Nov-01-06, 06:55 PM (CMT)
	45. "RE: preventative?"
	Bahman, You really are the Cayenne Pepper success story- It is wonderful that you found something that works for you. Thank you again for sharing your story- there are always new people on the forums, so It's nice to know that this might help others too. May you have continued success with it! Jen
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	Chewy	Nov-01-06, 07:02 PM (CMT)
	46. "RE: preventative?"
	Hell, I should probably give it a shot also, considering like most I've tried pretty much about everything else. Couple qeustions I get really bad heartburn--is it gonna make it worse? Also I suffer w/daily ha/mg should i take it regulary (x amount of times a day)? Ty for all the info...
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 10:05 PM (CMT)
	47. "RE: preventative?"
	You can start with small amount and see how your heartburn reacts. If not badly, then go on with more dosages, maybe regularly. The point is that you can be in full control. Try different ways and see what works, if any. The bottom line is that if it has no effect in a day or two of trying, you are unfortunately among the majority of people not helped by RP.
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LTAYLOR	Nov-01-06, 10:44 PM (CMT)
48. "RE: Migraine Cure"
I take my cayenne extract (along with the others) at least twice daily and sometimes more if I am feeling stressed or in a serious migraine phase, but normally I take them sometime in the morning and at bedtime. The strength (heat) of the liquid extract product varies even among bottles of the same brands, for many years I did not find them hot at all, but lately my bottles have had a bit more "punch" - not that I mind....I can eat hot peppers of any kind with a bit of salt, like a tomato. Also, the liquid extracts are "preserved" in alcohol which may be a problem for some. There are brands without alcohol. I have used both interchangeably. I imagine that the pills are so much more convenient, but I have bottles stashed in my travel bag, desk, home etc...oh, and I worked up to two dropperfuls per dose, as long as I had no problems or reactions. Also, as I have stated before there are times when I have to break out the big guns of prescription pain meds, but I do not have a problem with that other than that I wish I did not have to take anything at all. The best thing is that these products/supplements will not harm you if they do not work, they are in fact good for you. Capsaicin is a known anti-inflammatory, very beneficial for your intestinal system as well as the cardiac system. Magnesium is a smooth muscle relaxer, also beneficial for the heart and good for muscle cramps, eye twitches and delivers a good nights sleep. Just to put it out there again, my immune system has benefited greatly from these items. Peace, L
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	Bahman	Nov-01-06, 11:11 PM (CMT)
	49. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	I never used the extract form. Instead as you know I have been occasionally using a solution of the powder in water. Now do you see any advantage for me to get the extract form in case the need is urgent and time is short?
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	annabelle	Nov-02-06, 05:33 AM (CMT)
	50. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	hi there bahman well its 9.30pm in the evening here and i have taken 2 of the capsules today along with 2 lots of paracetemol/15mg codeine for when i felt my headache coming on - i can say that those (p/cod) combination usually only help for muscle soreness - i dont normally take them for headaches, but thought would give them a try. well not to get too long winded - its almost as if the RP have accelerated the usefulness of painkillers enough to stop the headache getting any worse and then eased off. will keep you up to date with more tomorrow as i have relatives staying for a couple of days and need to get them settled in tonight. so to sum up - i would say that it is positive results so far regards annabelle.
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	Chewy	Nov-02-06, 09:23 AM (CMT)
	51. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	Txs for your prompt reply bahman. I'm sure it doesn't work for most people, but what do I have to lose. I've stopped getting my hopes up, I/we just have to understand its a process of elimination, trial and error...whatever u want to call it, but adventually all should find something that gives them relief. GL TO ALL!
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	mjacob	Nov-02-06, 10:08 AM (CMT)
	52. "RE: Migraine Cure"
	I am very happy for those of you the cayenne pepper works for. I tried it and I have one piece of advice. Make sure you are at home for the day when you do it. It set my GI tract on fire and gave me diarhea. I really wish I hadn't been at work that day. I actually tried two more times and had the same effect. And, yes, I took them w/ food. Good luck to all of you. M Pain has an element of blank; It cannot recollect when it begun, Or if there were a day it was not.....Emily Dickinson
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	Bahman	Nov-02-06, 10:33 AM (CMT)
	53. "so different"
	Good luck annabelle and chewy. Yes, M, after all this time it is still surprising to me to see how much different we all are. One of the properties of cayenne that you may read here and there is, "it helps digestive tracts" and then we see how some people like you can get hurt by it. Buyer beware!!!
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	Anna's Mom	Nov-02-06, 02:22 PM (CMT)
	54. "RE: so different"
	I just talked to my cousin on the phone who has both fibro and migraine. I was telling her about Dr. Dzugan's book. She said her G.P. actually recommended that she see a specific doctor in a nearby city who prescribes bioidentical hormone therapy. The G.P. thinks it will help my cousin with her medical problems. Which was pretty interesting to me. I greatly encouraged her to think about it. She wants to learn more about it. And I sure can help her with that! Cheryl
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	Bahman	Nov-02-06, 02:37 PM (CMT)
	55. "bio"
	Now I recall that I had a glance at a TV news report (I think it was ABC) yesterday about bioidentical hormone therapy. But I didn't get a chance to learn anything. Did anyone else saw it?
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	annabelle	Nov-02-06, 07:12 PM (CMT)
	57. "RE: bio"
	hi bahman woke this morning with slight headache - took the same meds as yesterday - am headache free, no stomach problems. feel good and tingly - bloody marvelous !! going out to mingle for lunch. regards annabelle (it's 11am here.)
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	Bahman	Nov-02-06, 07:35 PM (CMT)
	58. "RE: bio"
	I am elated -- and crossing my fingers.
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	annabelle	Nov-03-06, 04:05 AM (CMT)
	59. "RE: bio"
	LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-06 AT 04:08 AM (CMT) hi bahman reporting in - well it's 7.50pm and i have had a huge day out with our visitors and even though i love to have visitors i usually find it stressful and it will magnify the 'usual' daily headache. every time i felt the 'throb' (which is my early warning sign) i took a capsule and 10 mins later i was back. Hello !! i think this is working for me. my husband cannot believe it - he grabbed the bottle and read all the label and looked at me blankly and said 'i dont believe it'. my caps are fairly hot, but i have no trouble after eating or drinking milk and any discomfort disappears. i never have them withour a drink or food. i looooooooovvvvveeee the tingly feeling i get. its stimulates my peripheries - would be great for diabetes sufferers and their circulatory problems. i also suffer IBS and it has not caused me any trouble. i have had a total of 4 caps today - and for the information of those willing to try - the strength on the label is 475 mg and the brand is Natures Sunshine - i believe it is sold worldwide . bahman i would love to get them for $3 a bottle but hey i would pay $50 if i had to. as i mentioned before - i took the paracetemol/15mg codeine combination along with the cap. i take these usually for muscle soreness because they have never moved a headache for me - i usually take aspirin, but that is contra-indicated with the RP. i have had 4 of the caps today and as i sit here typing i am headache free. This is not a placebo effect - i dont have the imagination or the belief to fool myself. i will post again tomorrow but i promise it wont be as long winded - will just let you know what sort of day i had as far as how many i took and if i warded off the 'throb'. i sign off, pleasantly tingly annabelle. p.s. i could get seriously addicted to this feeling.
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	Bahman	Nov-03-06, 09:58 AM (CMT)
	60. "tingly?"
	Still glad, with crossed fingers!! And curious. What do you mean by tingly feeling? Have I been missing something?! I don't feel anything special taking cayenne.
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	jrm045	Nov-03-06, 12:50 PM (CMT)
	61. "cayenne"
	Bahman, you've definitely peaked my interest with your success story with cayenne. I just went out to my local Walmart to buy some, the only one they had was Cayenne Fruit capsules... is that the same thing? It was cheap so I bought it anyways and I look forward to trying it. I think I keep getting rebound headaches from my abortive medication, so trying something different is definitely something worth a shot. Thanks for all of your tips. Jaci
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	annabelle	Nov-03-06, 05:00 PM (CMT)
	62. "RE: cayenne"
	LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-06 AT 05:02 PM (CMT) hi jaci i read my label and it says 'capsicum annuum fruit powder' i suppose to the botanists capsicum is a fruit (seeds inside) - so still give them a try they are working for me. bahman - the 'tingly' feeling is because they are definitely having the effect on me of stimulating my circulatory system - and my fingers and toes and skin are receiving more blood than they normally would - the proper medical term is 'vasodilation' - thats why i seriously mentioned that they could be good for diabetics as they sosmetimes suffer from the problem of poor vasodilation - they often have fingers and toes removed because they get peripheral neuropathy, especially if they smoke. Sometimes too the elderly will suffer from ulcers that wont heal because of poor blood flow to the area, so i could see more uses for the RP than what i am using them for. one of the ways at the moment that doctors are healing these ulcers is to use an angina patch near the ulcer to improve the circulation/stimulation in the area . RP could be used as a helpful preventative maybe ? Peole reading this - it's important to say these are my thoughts to bahman so please take them in the context they are written - thoughts and my personal experiences. check back with you tonight. annabelle
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	Bahman	Nov-03-06, 10:47 PM (CMT)
	63. "RE: cayenne"
	Yes jaci the one in Walmart IS called "cayenne fruit" Thanks ammabelle for the information. I have never felt any tingly feeling. But I'm not complaining!!
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	annabelle	Nov-04-06, 04:14 AM (CMT)
	64. "RE: cayenne"
	hi bahman well another good day - taken 3 caps - only twice with the paracetamol/codeine combo. i'm feeling fine. it's evening here so i have had another successful day of warding off my inclination towards a daily pre-migraine headache. i dont get a daily headache from painkiller rebound as i usually just use a triptan when i get a migraine and put up with the headache i usually get daily. so controlling the daily headache has been very valuable....... as far as i am concerned these are so far an important adjunct for me by enabling me to use sucessfully what have been up to now a useless painkiller. i will now see how i go for several days and then post again. i have also looked into more research and am going to try with aspirin to see how i go, rather than keep up with codeine combo. regards annabelle
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deerwoman	Nov-06-06, 07:13 AM (CMT)
65. "RE: Migraine Cure"
Dr. Dzugan's book is out! You can see it at http://www.dragondoor.com/b36.html AND he has a website with information: http://www.whyage.net/index/flash I have worked with Dr. Dzugan and know that his approach has worked for many, many people. The approach is based on hormone balancing and ultimate balance of the parasympathetic and sympathetic systems. Please check it out.
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	jrm045	Nov-06-06, 01:24 PM (CMT)
	66. "RE: cayenne"
	Bahman and Annabelle - Well, I tried the Cayenne a couple times this weekend. Both on Fri night and Sun night, I started to feel a tiny bit of an ache on one side of my head and took one of the Cayenne capsules. I don't think it did anything at all! Whatever kind of "ache" it was, it didn't turn into a full blown migraine or anything though. I've been getting dull pains without the nausea over the past week, and I am trying not to take anything for them in fear of rebound headaches (which I suspect these to actually be). Oh well, I tried the Cayenne and it didn't seem to work.... at least I tried and now I know. Worth a shot! Glad that it DOES work for other people. Thanks again, Jaci
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	Bahman	Nov-07-06, 00:21 AM (CMT)
	67. "RE: cayenne"
	Sorry to hear that Jaci. On the other hand, if I am reading you correctly, you didn't really have the symptoms of a real mig. So my suggestion is to give cayenne another chance when signs of mig appear. It is worth another try.
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	jencee	Nov-07-06, 12:42 PM (CMT)
	68. "RE: cayenne"
	I trie this on friday, when I started to feel a migraine come on. I think I got over eager though, and took 2 capsules with my lunch. I got stomach distress- it felt like a hole burning through my stomach. I then took a triptan anyway, so my migraine did go away that day, but it was probably due to the triptan. I think I will try the cayenned again, but only take one capsule next time. I wonder if it would help to have it with some milk. I took it with water, but I did have a complete meal at the time too, so I thought that would help my stomach. Jen
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	Bahman	Nov-07-06, 04:15 PM (CMT)
	69. "RE: cayenne"
	Sorry to hear about your difficulty with cayenne. It certainly is up to individuals to figure out what the best way is to use it. Of course milk or food before and after cayenne cap can be very helpful. Also remember the altenative: Solution of water and cayenne powder. If powder is not avaiable, open a cap and pour it in a cup of water. Good luck!
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	crt	Nov-07-06, 04:41 PM (CMT)
	71. "RE: cayenne"
	>Also remember the altenative: Solution of >water and cayenne powder. If >powder is not avaiable, open >a cap and pour it >in a cup of water. >Good luck! Bahman, Do you think the temperature of the water makes any difference: - on its effect on the stomach - effectiveness for migraine pain ? What do you suggest for water temp? Chris
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annabelle	Nov-07-06, 04:40 PM (CMT)
70. "RE: Migraine Cure"
Hello bahman its wednesday and they are still working for me - i suppose i take approximately three per day and i take them with aspirin now and 1 slice of medium density bread and 1/2 glass milk. dont sit down for about 10 mins after so you make sure it reaches your stomach peoperly all you people who are giving it a try. Bahman has got it down pat really - so read carefully to what he's telling you as it is tricky but it can work. if your stomach is full then they are going to 'sit' on top and you may get reflux. i think that 2 in one go is asking for trouble They are a really helpful adjunct for me - they seem to make ordinary meds work better and get rid of that 'thump' or 'ache' which is always the pre-cursor to migraine. cheers bahman annabelle
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annabelle	Nov-07-06, 04:41 PM (CMT)
72. "RE: Migraine Cure"
Hello bahman its wednesday and they are still working for me - i suppose i take approximately three per day and i take them with aspirin now and 1 slice of medium density bread and 1/2 glass milk. dont sit down for about 10 mins after so you make sure it reaches your stomach peoperly all you people who are giving it a try. Bahman has got it down pat really - so read carefully to what he's telling you as it is tricky but it can work. if your stomach is full then they are going to 'sit' on top and you may get reflux. i think that 2 in one go is asking for trouble They are a really helpful adjunct for me - they seem to make ordinary meds work better and get rid of that 'thump' or 'ache' which is always the pre-cursor to migraine. cheers bahman annabelle
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	Bahman	Nov-07-06, 05:02 PM (CMT)
	73. "more about cayenne"
	Good to hear that cayenne is still working for you annabelle. Keep us posted. I really never got reflux, but of course people are different. I did mention that once in a while I feel that the cap has not gone down and is "sitting inside my chest." But the reason for that is because I didn't swallow it correctly and/or with enough water. More drink or food would take care of that problem. Also I never used TWO in a row -- occaisionally two caps one hour apart. Chris, I really don't know about water temperature and any effect it may have. I always use tap water. One thing though. I sometimes have to take a small bottle of cayenne solution with me, e.g. the mornings that I am going to get a blood test and no breakfast is allowed and I may have to have my cayenne on an empty stomach. No problem. But I have noticed that after a few hours the solution turns "fermented" and is probably unwise to use an old solution!
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	Chewy	Nov-07-06, 05:07 PM (CMT)
	74. "RE: more about cayenne"
	Does it matter what mfc? I bought generic brand and it gives me heartburn, is it easier on stomach w/water? It seems to work if I snort it on headache side...anybody try that? Ty
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	jencee	Nov-07-06, 05:12 PM (CMT)
	75. "RE: more about cayenne"
	I am not at all discouraged by my last try with the cayenne. I really don't know what possessed me to take two at once- I sometimes get very confused and sometimes panicky at the onset on a migraine- and all the good advice & suggestions that I read just goes out the window- I either can't remember it or can't remember it correctly. I am going to try taking notes on all the different home remedies- so I can read them and not trust my memory. I wonder if taking in with a full meal was bad?- It sounds like Annabelle is having success taking it with just some milk and bread- maybe next time I should try that approach- also I will make sure not to lie down for 10 mins afterward- although- I am not sure if I did that or not. Jen
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	Bahman	Nov-07-06, 05:39 PM (CMT)
	76. "RE: more about cayenne"
	Here is my experience with cayenne with regard to brands and mfc: I have been generally using the Spring Valley brand from Walmart -- no problem. I have used powders bought from supermarkets in capsules (home-made, in earlier times) and in water solution -- no problem. But once I tried GNC capsules and was very hot and uncomfortable so I stopped. Now, one might think the stronger (hotter) the better, yes? Not in my experience. I din't find the GNC caps any more effective than other milder caps. My final thought in this regard. The first and foremost question to answer is whether cayenne is of any help to you. For this purpose, try any kind, any way, any fashion that is practical and convenient. If after a day or two of trying you are lucky enough to be helped by cayenne then you'll ample time to fine-tune your methods. And no I haven't snorted cayenne! But believe it or not, many moons ago sniffing fresh onion was a help for my mig!!! I have sometimes had it on full stomach without any problem. But again people may differ. The way I look at it is this: The cap is going to open in the stomach and if no other material is present the concentration of the powder is too much and takes a while to disperse. Some food or drink before and some after the cap has opened, would alleviate any problem. And maybe the more material the better. Don't you agree!
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	jencee	Nov-07-06, 06:04 PM (CMT)
	77. "RE: more about cayenne"
	I got the Walmart Spring Valley brand too- I am glad it's milder than the others. I will keep trying to find a way to take the cayenne - I think I might just have a very sensitive stomach- when I take meds, if there is neusea as a potential side effect- I am sure to have it. It's interesting you mentioned snorting the cayenne- I read something online about pregnant women & migraines, and one of the home remedies they suggested was snorting a few grains of it. I have not tried this yet- I'm a bit afraid to, but It might work for some folks. Jen
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	annabelle	Nov-10-06, 05:16 AM (CMT)
	78. "RE: more about cayenne"
	Hello there Bahman Well it has been over a week experimenting with the cayenne and i have used my triptan once and that was because i got myself all exhausted and woke up with a 'feeling' so i zapped it. I have had amazing success i believe especially as i have a lot of my migraines set off by a neck condition. I actually feel i have more control and don't hesitate to use it, where would probably hang back if i were using my usual painkillers. i have now tried them with aspirin, paracetemol and low dose codeine. As i have mentioned before, that for me the pepper seems to have had a response that makes silly old useless (normally) drugs work twice as well. Now i am sure i could do the scientific thing and find out why but i am not going to bother because it does not matter. For me it is working and i have told my children about it and they are getting onto it as well. Oh and by the way - i went out for a curry tonight and i think my tolerence level has gone up - i didnt even raise a sweat !! so cheers again bahman annabelle
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	Bahman	Nov-10-06, 12:12 PM (CMT)
	79. "RE: more about cayenne"
	It is good to hear that cayenne is still doing good for you annabelle, at least partially if I understand your remarks correctly. Would you say roughly 50% helpful? On the other hand, it so appears that hardly anyone else who was going to try it, has been helped. Too bad.
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	annabelle	Nov-10-06, 06:06 PM (CMT)
	80. "RE: more about cayenne"
	Hi Bahman i would say more like 70% if i take it immediately when i start 'feeling' like a was getting that headache that turns into a migraine. My regime over the years is to take high dose aspirin and metoclopramide to try to get rid of it - which usually worked 50% - then i would take 30mg codeine which by then dulled the headache that i inevitably got if aspirin didnt work - then it was pot luck if i went on the get a migraine and only as a last stop i used a triptan. I must add that it was not a very good regime but i didnt know what i was doing a lot of the time as i sometimes suffer very deep depressions and forgot what i was doing - or i would leave the meds on the bench and forget about them and by that time nothing would work except the triptan - Then over the past 12 months i have just taken to having the triptan immediately. i use the nasal spray which tastes foul and when it dries it looks like i have sniffed a line of coke - very charming look - not! sorry i had to rave on to explain why the capsicum is working. So now i feel i have an effective 'control' whereas before those medications like the metoclopromide and aspirin didn't work for me they do now. but i take the pepper first and wait for 20 mins and the headache usually goes. to me that is a marvel, if i am feeling a little anxious about it taking too long or i have to go out i will take the paracetamol or aspirin as a safety measure. i hope i have made it clear - as its those headaches that i simply must get rid of or they mean migraine within 2 hours and then i am out to it, even with the tiriptan i still 'feel' like hell cos they only take away the pain - not the other things like clumsiness, speech difficulty, light sensitivity and so forth. so taking the capsicum stops the headache in its tracks - if it starts to wear back in i take another one - the most i have used is 3 in a day and most days i would have maybe 2. i dont take it if i have no headache coming on. it may not sound like it to you, if i havent been able to express myself sufficiently but i feel now that i have a 'first line' headache fighter that works and i am not drugged up - feel happy - IN CONTROL - a lot of my problem that compounded a headache was feeling anxious about medications working in time and now i dont feel anxious that way at all. and the bonus is - its not a super-slap drug with side effects. i hope ive got my points across - sorry for the long post - you've probably dozed off
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	Bahman	Nov-10-06, 06:24 PM (CMT)
	81. "RE: more about cayenne"
	70% is good, very good. Hope it lasts. I did in general understand what you have been saying. Not that I haven't. My only curiosity was to quantify your rate of success, however so roughly. and now you did. 70% is good!! An aside about aspirin. I am pleasanlty surprised that you occasionally take aspirin! Not that I own a stock in any aspirin manufacturer! But I have always wondered how come most people like to take other meds like ibuprofin and the like. I am sure many people don't respond to aspirin and must take something else, but I feel that aspirin has been unreasonably "orphaned"!!! As for myself, I take about 15 regular aspirins a month because they say it is good for the heart.
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	annabelle	Nov-11-06, 03:19 AM (CMT)
	82. "RE: more about cayenne"
	hi bahman aspirin rocks ! it's the best for my headaches and paracetemol i usually use for muscle aches - for some reason with me they both work differently - i suspect paracetemol used in large doses - i think its dangerous to ones liver and i only used it in my trial as i read that aspirin and cayenne were not good together but it's fine with aspirin for me. I used to use 2x500 mg dose aspirin - 1 maxalon (anti-nauseant)- 30mg codeine and it used to wollop a headache, but with the chilli i can halve the codeine or drop it completely. i must have a cast iron stomach. annabelle
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	Bahman	Nov-11-06, 12:16 PM (CMT)
	83. "IBS"
	Talking of "cast iron stomach", You did mention in your earlier emails that you had IBS, right? I wonder how THAT is responding to cayenne?
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	jencee	Nov-11-06, 08:33 PM (CMT)
	84. "RE:Cayenne"
	I just wanted to let everyone know that last night I had a headache (not a migraine) but sometimes my migraines start out feeling like a "normal" headache and then morph into a migraine. I took one cayenne capsule with no meds and in a few hrs the headache was gone! I'm very excited! I hope it would work equally well if it was a migraine, but at least I have hope that it might help in the future again. Jen
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	annabelle	Nov-11-06, 10:51 PM (CMT)
	86. "RE:Cayenne"
	well done jencee - thats how i am using them, whack that headache !! dont forget to put some into your bag - i was out yesterday and had run out so i had to come home earlier than intended. keep us informed - i think we will have to start a new post - this one is getting to be as big as a book. regards annabelle
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	annabelle	Nov-11-06, 10:48 PM (CMT)
	85. "RE: IBS"
	hello there - you wouldn't believe it but it makes absolutely no difference to my IBS - i know it sounds ridiculous but i am being truthful. i would never say anything to mislead and i take full responsibilty for what i say. my IBS is caused by diverticular disease and if the cayenne had given me one small problem i would have thrown them as far as i could, i am not a pretty site when i have an attack. if i had a diverticular attack (which i get from time to time) i would stop taking them for the interim just as i stop any other unecessary drugs, as i need to go onto antibiotics when that happens. if you are interested below is a link to the manufacturers website and it mentions that they are taken to relieve dyspepsia/indigestion. so it seems a topical use is far different to an internal use. Bahman mentions that his ulcer improved after taking them so you just never know. kind regards annabelle http://www.nspaust.com.au/nsp/files/products/capsicum.htm
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