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serena	Jul-18-01, 01:51 PM (CMT)
"IBS and Migraines??"
I have had migraines since age 9, and incresing during my teens. They were not frequent until recently (in the past few years) when they started as recurrant "tension" headaches which were probably one long, bad headache and progressed into ER-type vomiting migraines. Anyway, I believe I have always had IBS or at least unnamed gastrointenstinal distress. That also became *significantly* worse in the last year. Almost anything I eat (other than pills)destroys my stomach. Yes, I went through the battery of tests from my GI dr who diagnosed me IBS, gave me Donnatol (placebo) and then Bentyl (placebo with an added laxative) and told me to drink Metamucil (which is smart when u are taking vicodin for your ha's). WELL lately it seems that the two syndromes have made bedfellows and now I have IBS and migraines -now thats not to say it is completely triggered by diet. In a drug induced stupor, I seem to remember an ER doc saying that both are stress triggered conditions and they can go hand in hand. What does that mean? Do others out here suffer IBS & migraines? And isn't it difficult to swallow a pain pill for a migraine thats making you vomit and the Phenergan suppositories are tricky to keep in place when IBS comes crashing your migraine party and both are competing for time on the throne and your bathroom seems to be getting crowded. Sorry I had to vent. **whew** that feels better. (Anyone able to get Phenergan shots prescribed for home use? I'd rather avoid the 3 hour wait at ER...) One other thing. While warding off a non- vomiting migraine and also having GI distress, I noticed that the Stadol NS significantly improved my IBS symptoms. I wonder if anyone has theories or experiences they'd be willing to share with me. I read one miscellaneous posting on the Net where a woman said she noticed the same improvement and that her doc put her on "a low dose regimen" of butorphanol to manage her IBS. ANyone heard of such a thing? I tried a small, watered down dose of stadol once when I was not having an acute migraine but while my stomach was horridly bad and it helped tremendously... theories? should I take this up with my GI Dr? much appreciate your reading! wishing you a pain free moment and an even brighter tomorrow... ~S~
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Stadol for stomach problems, woodwoman, Jul-18-01, (1) RE: Stadol for stomach problems, serena, Jul-18-01, (4) RE: Stadol for stomach problems, serena, Jul-19-01, (22) RE: IBS and Migraines??, leebones, Jul-18-01, (2) RE: 2wendy, serena, Jul-18-01, (3) RE: 2wendy, leebones, Jul-18-01, (5) RE: 2wendy, serena, Jul-18-01, (7) RE: 2wendy, leebones, Jul-18-01, (8) RE: 2wendy, serena, Jul-18-01, (10) RE: 2wendy, leebones, Jul-18-01, (19) RE: IBS and Migraines??, PWallar, Jul-18-01, (6) RE: IBS and Migraines??, serena, Jul-18-01, (9) RE: IBS and Migraines??, Painfree, Jul-18-01, (12) RE: IBS and Migraines??, VickiG, Jul-18-01, (16) phenergan shots, di, Jul-18-01, (11) RE: phenergan shots, Shari, Jul-18-01, (13) RE: phenergan shots, serena, Jul-18-01, (14) RE: phenergan shots, Norma, Jul-18-01, (15) RE: vasoconstrictor, serena, Jul-18-01, (17) RE: vasoconstrictor, Richard, Jul-18-01, (18) RE: vasoconstrictor, leebones, Jul-18-01, (20) RE: vasoconstrictor, serena, Jul-18-01, (21) RE: vasoconstrictor, Norma, Jul-19-01, (23) RE: vasoconstrictor, totweet1064, Jul-19-01, (24) RE: vasoconstrictor, heavyhead, Jul-20-01, (25) RE: IBS and Migraines??, HEADMAN, Jul-23-01, (26)

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woodwoman	Jul-18-01, 02:02 PM (CMT)
1. "Stadol for stomach problems"
Hi. I just wanted to share the fact that as my hormonal migraines have been joined by even worse barometric-pressure migraines, I've noticed something similar. My hormonal ones don't usually have much nausea with them, but the pressure-induced ones do. When I get a pressure-induced mihraine, it's as if my digestive system shuts down and turns to queasy lead. Stadol takes care of that feeling. The only trouble is that it also seems to trigger a full-frontal headache later. Ah well, can't have everything, I guess! Best of luck to you. Jane W
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	serena	Jul-18-01, 02:18 PM (CMT)
	4. "RE: Stadol for stomach problems"
	Yea, I believe my migraines are hormonal too. My GYN i s talking about putting me on continuous cycle pill so I will only have a period every 3 months. I have never heard of barometric pressure migraines but I have noticed my migraines have been hellatious since I moved to CA. And I notice the frontal lobe h/a that u mention with Stadol use - thats why I watered it down.
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	serena	Jul-19-01, 03:32 AM (CMT)
	22. "RE: Stadol for stomach problems"
	can you tell me more about your barometric-pressure migraines?
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leebones	Jul-18-01, 02:04 PM (CMT)
2. "RE: IBS and Migraines??"
you should bring up anything that is a potential help for you. good luck. Ihope you find somethng that will help. I have been on stadol as well. And I too dilute it. it is very strong and knocks me on my butt. Not my favorite for sure. dont take it anymore. beside it is very expensive and my insurance does not cover it. I use morphine my injection for home use at home. It works very well for me, so lets not rock the boat. Good luck wendy
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	serena	Jul-18-01, 02:15 PM (CMT)
	3. "RE: 2wendy"
	Do you water it down with plain water? someone said to use saltwater (?). it seems to help but i am not so sure i can secure a refill - ah the worries of the painheads. how did u get morphine rx for home use? i can't even get it in the ER without an eternal wait for the shot, a battery of questions, a drill sargeant routine, and then they make me wait until it wears off before they let me leave
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	leebones	Jul-18-01, 02:19 PM (CMT)
	5. "RE: 2wendy"
	LAST EDITED ON Jul-18-01 AT 02:31 PM (CMT) It has been many years for me to get it for home use. The doc I have now writes me the scripts. I specifically dr shopped for one that would work with me and my migraines. he has been wonderful. Where do you live. The ER experience was awful, that is how I finally got home rx. they treated me like a piece of crap. I have tried many other things for relief and it is only after years and years did I get the scripts for home. good luck. anything I can help you with I would be happy too. oops forgot to answer the part about stadol. Iuse just reg tap water. I have no idea if it is a good thing or a bad thing to do though. But it does make it last longer. wendy
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	serena	Jul-18-01, 02:30 PM (CMT)
	7. "RE: 2wendy"
	I live in CA and am fairly new here. They have the "triplicate" prescription laws, so most docs are even hesitant to prescribe vicodin. Isn't it silly how "doctor shopping" is considered such a bad word, like we are "drug seekers" for seeking a competant and compassionate healthcare provider. ER docs didnt treat me like crap - its just that things move REAL slow and if my migraine hits in the late nite or early a.m., like it usually does, we have to cart the whole jolly family off to the ER where people are bleeding from lost limbs and car wrecks! great day in the morn. Stadol is the best at-home helper i have found so far and that was a stroke of sheer luck i don't understand why my mig's have increased in frequency and severity. i take neurontin and prozac, avoid triggers, take feverfew/migralieve, magnesium and vitamins, try Yoga and natural remedies. Refuse triptans. Cautious and responsible with abortives; no luck with Imitrix/Zomig. Ultram and fiorecette not so effective unless I take them in combo at beginning of ha. Sound familiar? please tell me more about your exp/medhistory/doctor(what type?) what state?
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	leebones	Jul-18-01, 02:35 PM (CMT)
	8. "RE: 2wendy"
	LAST EDITED ON Jul-18-01 AT 02:38 PM (CMT) well I live in canada. And there is the same triple script laws here. Alot of docs dont like to prescribe narcotics. but it is a choice they make. I had one doc say that pharmacare would come down on me if he gave me too many. what a joke. the doc Ihave now gives me as much as I need. Ihave not had to go to ER in about 8 months now. I am 38 and have had migs since about age 2. Both my daughter get them, but so far thankfully not as bad as me. my oldest has been getting them the last couple years only and my baby has had them since she was 2 or so. Awful with the kids, the girls both say thanks mom. oh well what can I do. I feel bad for them, but I know what they are going through. So I can at least help them. I believe them when they need to miss school from a mig. any way good luck to you. let me know ifyou need anything did it again. my doc is a gp. Thelast neuro I saw said she does not know what to do with me, and did not want to continue to prescribe morphine to me. she did for awhile. wendy
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	serena	Jul-18-01, 02:48 PM (CMT)
	10. "RE: 2wendy"
	yea, i think Neuros are neurotic. GPs have somewhat of a clue and at least are not hearing impaired. My daughter has complained of occassional headaches, she is 4, I thought she might be "playing doctor" or something but we'll see when puberty hits! My sister didn't get migs until she hit 30 (and I think they are just tension headaches) but after her ha's started she called and apologized for all those years of not believing my pain. Montezumas revenge. my email is serena25330@yahoo.com please drop me a line sometime I am considering taking a short trip to Canada and cold use a few pointers
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	leebones	Jul-18-01, 06:12 PM (CMT)
	19. "RE: 2wendy"
	I would be happy to give you any info for your trip. Talk toyou soon. My email. leebones123@home.com wendy
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PWallar	Jul-18-01, 02:22 PM (CMT)
6. "RE: IBS and Migraines??"
This is very funny that you bring this up. I have been fighting for the "thrown" for 5 days now non-stop. It's been terrible. I just started Lamictal and I'm not sure if it is from that or just the stress of having a migraine and having to run to the bathroom with it. I'm not sure, but I told my husband I thought I had IBS too. I probably don't, I'm sure it is from the medicine,but it's strange that this is happening to me as well. Maybe it's another "side effect" of migraines.. Wh knows? It's possible I'm sure... Take care! Paula
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	serena	Jul-18-01, 02:43 PM (CMT)
	9. "RE: IBS and Migraines??"
	I don't know if you are on Lamictal for Epilepsy or otherwise. But I do know Neurontin is an anti-seizure med with pain reducing properties and mood stabilizing effects. If the other stuff makes ya hurl, check with your doc about Neurontin (it doesnt have the side effects like Depakote)
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	Painfree	Jul-18-01, 03:31 PM (CMT)
	12. "RE: IBS and Migraines??"
	From the time I was about 16 until I was in my late 30's I suffered terribly from IBS. As soon as I started getting the migs the IBS has lightened. Yes, both can be related to stress. People who suffer from migs are commonly known to have gastrointestinal problems. I still occasionally have some intestinal upset although it is primarily migs now. Certain meds will help with the pain of the IBS although watching your diet can help a lot. I know that this sounds simplified but if you can reduce or eliminate some of the stressors in your life it might help. I know that you mentioned Neurontin as opposed to Depakote. Depakote was HORRIBLE for me. I currently take Neurontin although I do believe that it somewhat constipates me. Life can be a viscious cycle.
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	VickiG	Jul-18-01, 04:21 PM (CMT)
	16. "RE: IBS and Migraines??"
	I've been told by several doctors that there is a connection between IBS and migraines. I don't remember what it is now, but I do know that there is a connection. Sorry -- my brain isn't working very well right now.
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di	Jul-18-01, 03:29 PM (CMT)
11. "phenergan shots"
hi- I am lucky not to have IBS, but.. I was given phenergan supp's when I was pregnant (lots of fun with migraines They didn't work, so they gave me a drug called Zofran. they give it for nausea usually to chemo pts. The pills are smaller than most anything, and they act realtively quickly and are good for 8 hours. they also consider them safe enough for pregnant women. (Although they will only give them as last resort, most dr's). Might be worth a shot. Take care, Di
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	Shari	Jul-18-01, 03:32 PM (CMT)
	13. "RE: phenergan shots"
	I believe it was zofran that I got in the ER one time when nothing was working for nausea. The nurse told me there to ask for it next time because doctors don't usually offer it. It is very very expensive. :\ (I hope I am not forgetting the real name but zofran sounds so much like it) Anyway, I am allergic to most anti nausea meds but vistiral is what I take daily. I am sure you have tried it?
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	serena	Jul-18-01, 04:07 PM (CMT)
	14. "RE: phenergan shots"
	never tried vistiral. i have a RX for Phenergan but its hard to take when vomiting
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	Norma	Jul-18-01, 04:15 PM (CMT)
	15. "RE: phenergan shots"
	Serena--funny you should bring up the connection between IBS and migraine. The doc who created imitrex studied the problem of IBS and came to believe thet IBS was basically a "migraine of the intestines." He created a medicine based on that theory, that works on the bowel the same way that imitrex works on the brain. People were crediting this med with giving them their lives back--they could actually leave the house without worrying about having diarrhea in their pants. Then it was taken off the market a couple of months ago because in some people it worked too well (it's a vasoconstrictor) and they were having damage to the intestine from it not getting enough blood. So--you have picked up on a valid connection. I suspect that stress is just a trigger, not a cause, just like with migraine. Norma
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	serena	Jul-18-01, 05:51 PM (CMT)
	17. "RE: vasoconstrictor"
	a vasoconstrictor of the intsetines? vasoconstrictors work on (some) migraines, wouldnt they work on IBS? ANy ideas on why Stadol NS would affect IBS in a positive way?
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	Richard	Jul-18-01, 06:07 PM (CMT)
	18. "RE: vasoconstrictor"
	My dad always told me the only really stupid question is the one you don't ask. What is IBS? from the sounds of it, I don't want it, but remain curious. Richard
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	leebones	Jul-18-01, 06:16 PM (CMT)
	20. "RE: vasoconstrictor"
	well I admit as richard not sure about IBS. I assume Irritable bowel syndrom???? wendy
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	serena	Jul-18-01, 10:40 PM (CMT)
	21. "RE: vasoconstrictor"
	Irritable Bowel Syndrome is correct for a million dollars. I'll spare ya the horrid details but basically it is a migraine of the intestines, or any non-diagnosable recurring gastrointestinal problem (not a brain tumor its a migraine; not colon cancer then its IBS)
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	Norma	Jul-19-01, 09:15 AM (CMT)
	23. "RE: vasoconstrictor"
	Yeah! People who have it have these painful spasms of the intestines, and uncontrollable, unpredictable diarrhea. Since they can't tell when it will strike, it makes it hard to have a life. Reminds you or migraines, doesn't it? Norma
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	totweet1064	Jul-19-01, 01:46 PM (CMT)
	24. "RE: vasoconstrictor"
	Hi everybody, I have suffered from the ibs for as long as I can remember, and have never associated the two things until I read this post. Patty
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	heavyhead	Jul-20-01, 09:29 AM (CMT)
	25. "RE: vasoconstrictor"
	Hi Serena (you didnt once live in connecticut did you?) I have made a connection over the past few months between IBS and my migraines. Someone here once posted a link for me, I wish I remembered it now for you. Anyway....there is a connection between the two. Also, people that suffer from Fybromyagia(sp?) have these 2 symptoms along with many others. As a child, I would suffer from tremendous pain in my stomach and intestines from time to time. It would be debilitating! I could do nothing but scream and curl up in a ball. At the time, I also suffered from migraines...but I never knew of the intestinal migraine til a month or so ago. Yes...there is such a thing. My stomach shuts down. It churns and churns. Nothing will stop it. Then..the pain!! It is as bad as a migraine...just in a different place. My ribs, back, stomach all ache in ways that are too terrible to describe with words. This usually is followed by a migraine in my head a day or two later. I believe that my medication keeps from being digested at this point. Since NOTHING leaves my stomach. Food just sits there and goes rancid. (sorry for the details) If I find that link again..I will post it. hh
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HEADMAN	Jul-23-01, 10:57 AM (CMT)
26. "RE: IBS and Migraines??"
I have the same problem(s), of which, in my case, I feel I have inherited. Anyway, I take a daily RX for IBS (lomotil) - and my daily RXs for the migraine (which are not really working). But yes, bad head days seem to trigger bad 'other end' days. Tell your doctor!
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